Anglo-Ffrench parentage (DNZB)
emigrated from London to Sydney 1823
from a descendant: Heather HAWTHORNE
"James and Teni are my great greatgrandparents and I have a LOT of information on them and their daughter Emily Maria FULLOON, also on James and Teni's ancestry. Needless to say, Teni's ancestors were in New Zealand long before the FULLOONS.
In respect of the DNZB article, and the book written on James FULLOON by PARHAM, I have gone back to the source documents and which all point to Charles FULLOON being James father, and not John. I can only think that the reason Parham concluded that John was his father was that James received some money from John's intestate estate. However, as James had all of his money invested with his uncle it may well be that the cash that he received was only cash that was owed to him. We will never know.
I have a copy of a whakapapa written by Emily Maria FULLOON giving her grandfather's name as 'Hare FURUNU' - Charles FULLOON.
I also have a copy of the newspaper announcement from the Sydney Morning Herald of Elizabeth FULLOON's marriage to Thomas Henry SMITH stating that she was the daughter of Charles FULLOON.
Charles FULLOON's death certificate gave the children from his first marriage as 'one deceased son' and Elizabeth Kolea (typo for Koka) FULLOON."
hawthorne.family@xtra.co.nz
My name is Lindsay Fulloon. I live in Armidale NSW and I am a direct descendant of Charles Fulloon (he was my Great Great Grandfather), so it seems we may share an ancestor. I am travelling to NZ in July and so have been researching the family connection with NZ. I was particularly interested in your assessment of Charles. James also appears to have been a very interesting figure at what wasa pretty tumultuous time in New Zealand?s history.
We too have been somewhat puzzled about which of the two Fulloon brothers (i.e. John or Charles) was James Francis & Elizabeth Fulloon?s father. From what I understand you are correct that Charles?s death certificate lists him as James and Elizabeth?s father rather than John as many other sources suggest. I had not previously heard about Elizabeth?s marriage announcement in the Sydney morning herald. Do you have the date of this publication in the SMH by any chance? I also understand like you that the death certificate indicates the son from his first marriage (i.e. James) predeceased him, and he was survived by Elizabeth (and her Australian half siblings, one of whom was my Great Grandfather Josiah) suggesting he died after James had been killed at Whakatane in 1865. As I understand it Charles died in around 1899 in Queensland. I believe it was actually John who died in New Zealand in 1861 at Whakatane (apparently murdered as he slept in his home). The story as we know it is as follows:
Both Charles and John returned to Sydney when James was about 14 (not sure if they travelled together or at different times). James and/or his sister Elizabeth appear to have spent some time in Sydney. Elizabeth may have worked at a school in Sydney run by her Aunt (Eliza Susannah Fulloon) for some time. Charles then (re)married (to Mary Frances McGuire in 1854 at Hartley NSW) and moved to Queensland where he bought a property known as the Hermitage (somewhere in the Burnett region near Maryborough) where he died in about 1899. I believe it was actually John who returned to New Zealand and who was murdered in his home (I can?t find the exact date at the moment unfortunately although I have seen these in another family members research notes, from memory he referenced a newspaper article about this murder that named the perpetrator and clearly indicated that John Fulloon was the victim) when James was about 21 (approx. 1861). I believe also that it was Charles who was the carpenter, while John appears to have been employed in administrative positions and was perhaps more educated. John was quite a bit older than Charles (by some 14 years) and may have been educated in England (his father was a school master). I have seen a transcription of a letter that he wrote whilst working as a Police Clerk at Tamworth, NSW (to his mother or sister I think from memory) bemoaning the fact that he was continually overlooked for promotion. This may be what drove him to head for pastures greener in New Zealand?? Why he later returned to NZ rather than Charles we don?t know. Perhaps he really was the father of James and Elizabeth, although the evidence certainly appears to suggest otherwise (i.e. Charles Death certificate and Elizabeth?s marriage announcement)?? It would seem unlikely that these sources would be incorrect.
I also have seen another account of John?s return to Sydney in or about 1854 which suggested he had returned with Elizabeth, James?s sister (in the other family members research I mentioned before). This source also suggested it was John who arranged for Elizabeth to remain in the care of her Aunt for schooling and/or work at her school. If Charles was indeed the father of James and Elizabeth, it appears he largely abandoned them, while John appeared perhaps to provide some paternal (or perhaps he was just a good Uncle) care for James and/or Elizabeth. However I am certain it was actually John who later returned to New Zealand some time before his death in 1861. This may also have swayed Parham perhaps, as possible evidence of an enduring paternal connection to James and Elizabeth?
FYI please see attached a descendant chart and notes from a talk that was delivered to the Australian Huguenot society earlier this year by another descendant of John and Charles?s mother (also Elizabeth Fulloon (nee Azire), then Raine, then Speed ? 3 marriages in all). The talk focussed mainly on John and Charles?s mother and her life in Australia, starting with her role as matron of the female factory in Sydney upon her arrival in 1824 with Charles and John & their other siblings aboard ?The Brothers?. However it may be of some interest to you. Their father (also John) died on voyage to Sydney. There are some discrepancies in this document as it suggests the Fulloon family scattered after John and Charles?s mother died in 1842 (John and Charles to NZ). However John and Charles must have arrived in NZ before this if James was born in 1840.
If you would be interested, my father has a copy of the research by another family member that I made reference to above. This provides quite a lot of detail on Charles and John?s lives in Australia, although it does not resolve the paternity issue of James and Elizabeth. I did have a copy of this myself, but lent it to my brother and it has since gone missing. I hope to get another copy from Dad soon and could scan a copy for you if you wish. I believe Dad also has a photograph of Charles in the later half of his life.
Do you have any information on where John and/or James might be buried? Would either be buried at Whakatane they were both apparently killed?
Kind regards
Lindsay Fulloon
74 Rockvale Road
ARMIDALE NSW 2350.
Was a passenger on the Bardaster which sailed NZ to Sydney late 1834 RHYR3. Charles Fulloon was a carpenter Ohiwa, shipbuilder in 1838.
5 He immigrated to from Sydney to NZ about 1839.
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